Sunday, March 6, 2011

Note to Julia Gorin:
Genocide bad.

One of the drawbacks of the Internet is that insofar as anybody can publish anything without limitation, just about anything can and does get published.

Even rants in support of mass murder, war crimes and even genocide.

I kid you not.

There is a writer by the name of named Julia Gorin, of Russian Jewish descent, from the city of Odessa, who has recently (and not for the first time) written yet another screed justifying and defending precisely that.

In particular, she supports and celebrates the genocide that occurred at Srebrenica of which I have written previously here, here, and also here. And she does so through the usual tiresome (and mutually incompatible) arguments-in-the-alternative: "it didn't happen" and "the bastards had it coming to them."

I find it difficult to wrap my brain around the concept of someone of Jewish background....

...supporting.... genocide?

How dare she?

This from a woman who by her own account exists only because her own grandparents were evacuated from Odessa in Summer 1941 by the Russians before the Germans took her home town. And only a few hundred miles north of Odessa, only weeks later–in a place outside Kiev, a ravine called "Babi Yar"–a massacre took place that was quite similar to the one at Srebrenica.

I find this disturbing and disappointing, for much else that she has written–concerning her family history, concerning the loss of her sister in a car accident, concerning her growing doubts about legal abortion–are by themselves quite admirable.

A hack she is not.

But her mindless support of Serb aggression, genocide and criminality in the recent Yugoslav wars is deeply bewildering and appalling.

To demonstrate the nature of her genocide cheerleading I would like the reader to perform
a thought experiment, a simple act of substitution.

Go to her article. Here. Copy and paste it into a word processor.

Using your search-and-replace function, do the following:

* Replace the word "Serbia" with "Germany."
* Replace the word "Serb" with German."
* Replace the word "Srebrenica" with "Babi Yar."
* Replace the words "Islamic" and "Muslim" with "Jewish".

Now, reread her essay. It will read something like this:

.....Given the violent raids upon German held villages which the Babi Yar Jews were engaging in and which included the slaughter of around 1,500 civilians of all ages and sexes, and which continued up to two weeks before the take-down of the enclave — given that history — why should the word “Babi Yar” elicit compunction from the region’s original victims? Even if the offending side’s soldiers were killed disproportionately and in some cases illegally by one’s soldiers? What’s with the constant expectation for halos to be hovering over those ‘demon’ German heads? What grand, superhuman standards we have of these “barbarians”!
.... Executing POWs is a war crime — ... but why is it worse than targeting, torturing, and killing civilians, as the other three sides — Jews, British and Americans — did?... when you’re the only side being asked to apologize for everything — ad nauseum — and the only side whose government and humanitarian organizations have apologized for anything — what kind of reaction does one expect? ....
Why is the undisputed war crime of executing up to a thousand Jew soldiers worse than the following, which abounded in and around Babi Yar and led directly to the week in July 1941 that payback proved a bitch....
It reads like the filthiest of skinhead propaganda, does it not?

That is because it is the filthiest of skinhead propaganda.

I personally witnessed the aftermath of that completely unnecessary atrocity called the Srebrenica Genocide, and was forced to devote years of my life to repairing the damage.

Now, dear Julia, I am aware that you have never been within 500 miles of Srebrenica. I wish to God I could say the same.

Won't you join me for a little visit? It won't take but a minute.

July, 1995. In this Bosnian town of Srebrenica, the greatest war crime and genocide in the history of Europe since 1945 took place, costing the lives of 8,000 or more people.

Please join me for a moment in a small stop at one of the places of execution from this massacre. I took these pictures myself while on mission in the region in August of 2000.

This is the Agricultural Warehouse at Kravica, a small village about fifteen miles outside of Srebrenica. It is an execution site from the Srebrenica massacre. On or about July 13, 1995, some 800 to 1000 prisoners of war, whom the Bosnian Serb Army was bound by treaty and international law to protect, were crammed into this barn. Note the bulletholes, which you can see from this picture taken from our transport maybe 100' away.

This place was selected as an execution site because in this village, on or about January 6-7, 1993, a man named Nasir Oric and a troop of Bosniac irregulars from Srebrenica caught a drunken and sleeping company of Bosnian Serb irregulars in bed with their girlfriends, drinking off Orthodox Christmas. They killed 35 (that's "thirty-five") soldiers and 11 (that's "eleven") civilians caught in the crossfire, the number verified by the International Committee on Missing Persons. The Bosniac raiders then stole food supplies and took them back to besieged Srebrenica.

Thus the Bosnian Serb Army machinegunned more than 800 and perhaps as many as 1500 prisoners in vengeance for this embarrassment on or about July 13, 1995.

This is the Agricultural Warehouse as seen from behind.

This is the inside of the barn. Note the equipment. This barn--a murder site where more than 800 men died--is still in use.....



Note the plastered walls of the inside of the barn. Note the bullet holes--entry holes--still present.

This is one wall of the interior of the barn. One of the US soldiers who was with us had been a mortuary technician in a hospital prior to deployment. He told us that the black mold was of a particular sort typical to the presence of decaying human flesh. Its presence on the walls indicated that body fluids reached or splattered almost to the ceiling during the 'execution'.

You would think the Serbs would have had the good sense, if not to tear the place down, at least to clean it up a little. But it wasn't preserved as a monument to government evil and genocide. It's almost as the locals are proud of this place.

This is what Julia Gorin call "payback," and which she calls "a bitch."

Take a good look, Julia. This is what the aftermath of genocide looks like: not payback, but satanic evil.

I find myself in a difficult position, but someone has to say it to her.

Julia Gorin, I find it is my sad duty to tell you:

Woman, by your writings you have become a willing slave of genocide, a mouthpiece of support for the very evil that almost consumed your own grandparents.

You bring shame to yourself, and blacken the memory of those relatives of yours who did not escape as your family did, and who today lie in mass graves.

In the name of common justice, I implore you:

Be silent.

Be still.

Keep thy tongue behind thy teeth.

Write no more on a subject you are not qualified to discuss.

I say this with a regret most profound, for in a different reality I might have called you friend.


A fascinating discussion on this subject can be found here, of all places: "". Why? Because it would be rude to say genocide.


  1. hahahahahha there he goes again writing writing writing no scientific facts just the same tired Jihadist story over and over again. Did you fight with the 10,000 mujahadeen in srebrenica and bosnia at the time is that why you were there? maybe you are the one who is responsible for the 200,000 Christian Serbs cleansed from Sarajevo, maybe you are the one who is responsible for the 1,000,000 serbian Christian refugees at the hands of Islam and nazi croatia?

    We will start investigating you for war crimes, and we will sue you. What are you so scared of that you can't come up with one scientific fact about that time period just the same TIRED AND BORING OLD story of the poor muslims who just wanted democracy....

    Everytime you write you look like a fool, do you think anybody is listening to the same deceit again and must also believe there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq too.

    Why do you think that killing Christians is ok? Why do you accept the killing total ethnic cleansing of serbs from muslim land? What is your response are you just going to respond with a false accusation again, don't you know what that means in psychology it means you are LYING and you have NOTHING. ZERO EVIDENCE.

    Why don't you write about the bosnian muslim president's ISLAMIC DECLARATION. Why don't you show the world the truth what Muslims in BOSNIA were really fighting for - SHARIA LAW. Why don't you tell the world that the Serbs fought together with the moderate muslims...did you FORGET to mention all this.

    What about the 500 Christians who were massacred for their kidneys and livers by the muslims in kosovo, where is you battle cry for justice, do you think that the world is going to keep buying your lies. Ruder and Finn are no longer getting paid my the muslims and the world is starting to see the truth and remember we are recording everything you say about the Christians in Serbia.

    We know your agenda and who you have received money from, we are tracking everything.

    Continue to write and break the commandment of BARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY CHRISTIAN NEIGHBOR.

    Go to Kosovo and see what real genocide looks like - coward.

    Sincerely, you won't post this cause you lack any kind of integrity and are you trying in vain and you are losing the fight against the Truth. You are exposed as a liar and exploiter all for a few dollars. How proud of that are you?

    Don't ever say award about Julia, first of all you suck at writing and nobody listens to you, second Julia has something called scientific facts of which you still have yet to produce except for the fact that you are a totally irresponsible writer and it is so easy to see that you are a slimy attorney taking money to defend evil.

    We are recording everything...



  2. The following is a press release from the Prosecutors Office of Bosnia-Herzegovina by way of


    The BiH Prosecutor’s Office issued an indictment against Božidar Kuvelja, charging him with the criminal offense of Genocide under Article 171, Subparagraph a) of the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina, in conjunction with Article 31 the same Code.
    The Prosecutor of the Special Department for War Crimes within the BiH Prosecutor’s Office issued an indictment against Božidar Kuvelja aka "Hercegovac", born on September 29, 1971 in Čajniče, where he resides, a citizen of BiH.

    The accused is charged with having, as a member of the RS MoI Training Center Jahorina, personally and directly, by firing from a M-84 machine gun in Farming Cooperative Kravica, participated in the shooting of more than a thousand captured Bosniak men and boys after the fall of Srebrenica, and with having participated in forcible collecting and transporting of the women, children and the elderly towards the territory controlled by the BiH Army.

    The indictment alleges that the accused Kuvelja participated in the shooting of about 100 Bosniaks, who survived the initial execution by shooting in the Farming Cooperative Kravica, by misleading them with promise of medical assistance if they come out.

    After the wounded survivors were taken out of the warehouse, the accused Kuvelja has allegedly, together with other people, carried out executions by shooting from a machinegun, and then, in order to ensure that there are no survivors left, fired individual shots to kill the victims showing signs of life.

    The indictment also alleges that the accused has, as a member of the 1st Company of Jahorina Training Center, in the period from July 12 to July 14, 1995 participated in the search of Bosniak houses with the intent to collect and transfer the Bosniak population to the UN base in Potočari. He is charged with having participated in the forcible separation of men from their families, as well as transporting of the women, children and elderly from Potočari to the territory under control of the BiH Army.

    The accused Božidar Kuvelja is charged with killings and forcible transfer of Bosniaks by which he helped to destroy, in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, thereby committing the criminal offense of Genocide under Article 171, Subparagraph a) of the CC BiH, in conjunction with Article 31 the same Code.

    The accused is in custody.

    The indictment was forwarded to the Court of BiH for confirmation.

    *Note on the principle of presumption of innocence

    Dear Media Representatives, when transmitting news please bear in mind that persons referred to in the news and information of the BiH Prosecutor's Office, have the status of a suspect or an accused person. Let us remind you of the principle of presumption of innocence, which defines that no person shall be considered guilty until his/her guilt has been established by a final verdict.

  3. Serb forces raped slaughtered many Bosnian Muslim women and children around Srebrenica between April 1992 and up until June 1995 (see here ) . But in July 1995, there was a big difference -- the UN Peacekeepers were present. So, why haven't they killed all women and children?

    Here is a detailed answer to this question directly from the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (Appeals Chamber, Prosecutor vs. Radislav Krstic):

  4. I think even the Serbs admitted to 700 or more excutions . No doubt War is Hell , but generaly speaking you can't believe much about this war . The bullet holes don't tell us if there were 800 peole executed or 8000 . We do know the Serbs were ethnicialy cleansed from most of yugoslavia while they were the largest ethnic groupe . Clinton said 300,000 Bosnians killed . All the minorities have more land now after the war accept the Serbs . The muslims and the Croat nazis started the war . I know all about this war . And I know about this masacure . I agree with Julia she is telling by far the most truth , The European Union , The United States and The international court are all sticking up for the nazis and the muslims this time . The whole story is all politics , either side will exagerate and lie to win .

  5. Oh, horsehockey.

    I was there. In the line of duty I interacted on an ongoing basis with the War Crimes investigators, the doctors carrying out the identification and autopsy efforts at the morgue, and with others. There is no doubt whatsoever that the received version of what happened at Srebrenica is in fact literal truth. To refer to the Muslims of Bosnia as "nazis" is pure, unregenerate idiocy.


Keep it clean for gene.